Wenn man keine Ahnung hat...
Um bei jeder Auflösung auch den "Full Benefit" zu bekommen, gilt es, je höher die Auflösung desto geringer sollte der Sitzabstand zum Fernsehapparat sein.
I’ve read various articles debating the importance of the 1080p. I want to set the record straight once and for all: if you are serious about properly setting up your viewing room, you will definitely benefit from 1080p (and even 1440p.) Why? Because the 1080p resolution is the first to deliver enough detail to your eyeball when you are seated at the proper distance from the screen. But don’t just take my word for it: read on for the proof.
There are a few obvious factors to being able to detect resolution differences: the resolution of the screen, the size of the screen, and the viewing distance. To be able to detect differences between resolutions, the screen must be large enough and you must sit close enough. So the question becomes “How do I know if need a higher resolution or not?”. Here is your answer.
Based on the resolving ability of the human eye (with 20/20 vision it is possible to resolve 1/60th of a degree of an arc), it is possible to estimate when the differences between resolutions will become apparent. Using the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet as a base, I created a chart showing, for any given screen size, how close you need to sit to be able to detect some or all of the benefits of a higher resolution screen. (Click the picture below for a larger version.)
Resolution vs. Screen Size vs. Viewing Distance Chart
What the chart shows is that, for a 50-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p start to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 14.6 feet and become fully apparent at 9.8 feet. For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 9.8 feet and become full apparent at 6.5 feet. In my opinion, 6.5 feet is closer than most people will sit to their 50″ plasma TV (even through the THX recommended viewing distance for a 50″ screen is 5.6 ft). So, most consumers will not be able to see the full benefit of their 1080p TV.
However, front projectors and rear projection displays are a different story. They make it very easy to obtain large screen sizes. Plus, LCD and Plasma displays are constantly getting larger and less expensive. In my home, for example, I have a 123-inch screen and a projector with a 1280×720 resolution. For a 123-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p starts to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 36 feet (14 feet behind my back wall) and become fully apparent at 24 feet (2 feet behind my back wall). For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 24 feet and become full apparent at 16 feet (just between the first and second row of seating in my theater). This means that people in the back row of my home theater would see some improvement if I purchased a 1080p projector and that people in the front row would notice a drastic improvement. (Note: the THX recommended max viewing distance for a 123″ screen is 13.7 feet).
So, how close should you be sitting to your TV? Obviously, you need to look at your room and see what makes sense for how you will be using it. If you have a dedicated viewing room and can place seating anywhere you want, you can use this chart as a guideline. It’s based on THX and SMPTE specifications for movie theaters; the details are available in the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet.
Recommended Seating Distances and Resolution Benefits
Looking at this chart, it is apparent that 1080p is the lowest resolution to fall within the recommended seating distance range. Any resolution less than 1080p is not detailed enough if you are sitting the proper distance from the screen. For me and many people with large projection screens, 1080p is the minimum resolution you’d want.
In fact, you could probably even benefit from 1440p. If you haven’t heard of 1440p, you will. Here’s a link to some info on Audioholics.com. It is part of the HDMI 1.3 spec, along with 48-bit color depth, and will probably surface for the public in 2009 or so. You’ll partially be able to see the benefits of 1440p at the THX Max Recommended viewing distance and the resolution benefits will be fully apparent if you are just a little closer. I’ve read of plans for resolutions reaching 2160p but I don’t see any benefit; you’d have to sit too darn close to the screen to notice any improvement. If you sit too close, you can’t see the far edges of the screen.
In conclusion
If you are a videophile with a properly setup viewing room, you should definitely be able to notice the resolution enhancement that 1080p brings. However, if you are an average consumer with a flat panel on the far wall of your family room, you are not likely to be close enough to notice any advantage. Check the chart above and use that to make your decision.
ISF states the the most important aspects of picture quality are (in order): 1) contrast ratio, 2) color saturation, 3) color accuracy, 4) resolution. Resolution is 4th on the list and plasma is generally superior to LCD in all of the other areas (but much more prone to reflections/glare.) So pick your display size, then measure your seating distance, and then use the charts above to figure out if you would benefit from the larger screen size. So be sure to calibrate your screen! I recommend the following for calibration.
Recommended Calibration Tools
Disney WOW: World of Wonder Blu-ray
Disney WOW: World of Wonder DVD
Alternative options:
DVD: Digital Video Essentials (the original calibration disc dating back to the 1990s)
Blu-ray: Spears & Munsil High-Def Benchmark Disc (my favorite but hard to find)
Blu-ray: Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics (an update to the original, but I don’t like it as well)
Automatic Hardware Calibrator: Datacolor Spyder 3
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Genau das hab ich geschrieben? Außerdem, was bringt einem Full HD, wenn da nur die Ramschpanel verbaut sind, die teilweise heftiges Ghosting/Smearing haben (gerade bei den 2014er Modellen kam das dieses Jahr sehr häufig vor).
Man müsste noch näher drauf eingehen und die verschiedenen Panellieferanten auflisten, weil nicht überall wo Sony oder Samsung drauf steht ist auch ein Samsung Panel drin (Sony stellt seit Jahren keine Panels mehr her).
Also setzt ihr euch auch im Kino in die erste Reihe und zählt die Filmkörnung?
...und ja ich erkenne auch auf 4m Abstand noch Unterschiede zwischen 1080p und 720p in Schärfe und Details.
Wenn man 1m vor einem 80" TV sitzen muss um einen Unterschied zwischen 4k und 1080p zu sehen, ist die Technik noch einfach zu schlecht....das ist so nutzlos wie WLAN das 1234GB/s übertragen, aber nur wenn man 10cm davon enfernt sitzt...
ISF states the the most important aspects of picture quality are (in order): 1) contrast ratio, 2) color saturation, 3) color accuracy, 4) resolution.
Ein kontrastreiches Bild wirkt auf das Auge schärfer und hochauflösender... Die Auflösung von 4k ist somit witzloses Marketinggeblubber wie bei Kameras mit 2535 Megapixel....
Hat das jemand noch herumliegen? File ist bei Reddit/Mega leider gelöscht.
Spannende Diskussion btw.
Einiges lernen können.
Und ja, 4K wird kommen. Netflix zeigt es bereits vor und heuer wird noch viel mehr Content in der Auflösung verfügbar werden. D.h. es kommen Zeiten auf uns zu, wo 4K-Bildschirme (Fernseher sowie für den Rechner) richtig gutes Material bekommen.
/Offtopic: Wo das Thema 4K schon jetzt spannennd ist. Foto-/Videobearbeitung auf einem Bildschirm mit der Auflösung. Das macht richtig Spaß!
Ich bleib dabei 4 Meter und 46 Zoll sind ein absoluter Witz da ist entweder die 720p grottenschlecht encoded oder der zuspieler scaliert grottenschlecht hoch oder der Fernseher ist einfach für die Tonne (also alles unter 7/8er Reihe bei Samsung).
Die Bilder sind aus dem Hifi Forum, wer ernsthaft meint auf 4 Meter wären 46 Zoll angebracht der sollte sich lieber beim Thema Heimkino vollkommen raushalten und vorallem erstmal selber die Geräte zu hause testen, im Markt sieht man meistens wegen dem Licht sowieso wenig Unterschiede erst im dunklen merkt man erst, wie schlecht die Full HD Panels sind in Sachen Ghosting/Smearing/Clouding.
Die Full HD Panels sind alle samt nur noch minderwertiger Müll, das erkennt man schon, dass zum Beispiel Sony dieses Jahr ihren erweiterten Farbraum nur noch bei den 4Ks anbietet ebenfalls Samsung mit ihrer QDot Technologie und ja man sieht da durchaus Unterschiede, was die Farbgestaltung angeht, also wieso sollte man sich mit minderwertigen Panels rumärgern, wenn die UHDs gerade mal 100-200 €s teurer sind? Absoluter Unfug.
Ich hab mir das Timescapes in 4k Cineform runtergeladen - wiegt knapp 330 GB, massive Qualität, einfach geil!!! Ein Schulfreund von mir produziert professionelle Filme im Werbebereich bzw. just 4 fun - zieht euch seinen Channel rein - dort könnt ihr euch Demovideos runterladen - gefilmt mit einer Red Epic Dragon in 6k und runterskaliert auf 4k - derbe Qualität!
gabriel schrieb: *sabber* Wer kann sich denn bitte so ein schoenes teil leisten
Da er sich damit selbstständig gemacht hat, benötigt er das Teil mehr oder weniger für seinen Job ;-)
Hier seine Seite, er hat schon Auftragsarbeiten unter anderem für KTM (für die macht er alles), Media Markt, BMW, Red Bull, Durex usw. gemacht - er nutzt auch teilweise einen Octocopter für Luftaufnahmen - sehr high end das Ganze :-)
Ein VOD Anbieter veröffentlichte vor ein paar Tagen folgenden Filme im UHD 4k Format:
San Andreas
Man of Steel
Edge of Tomorrow
The Lego Movie
Magic Mike XXL
Jupiter Ascending
Sherlock Holmes
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows
The Great Gatsby
Into the Storm
Focus
Run All Night
...vielleicht besteht die Chance, dass man noch vor dem Release erster UHD-Blurays Filme im UHD Format schauen kann 2 mal bearbeitet, zuletzt 27. Okt. 2015, 18:55 Uhr
Warum kommt da von TVS eigentlich nichts mehr? Narcos zB. ist schon seit längerem wieder in der korrigierten Version in 4k auf Netflix vorhanden... 1 mal bearbeitet, zuletzt 27. Okt. 2015, 12:58 Uhr
devilsown schrieb: Warum kommt da von TVS eigentlich nichts mehr? Narcos zB. ist schon seit längerem wieder in der korrigierten Version in 4k auf Netflix vorhanden...
ich glaube wegen der marks, deswegen hatte sie doch die alten löschen lassen oder ?
is zwar blödsin, da sie ja dennoch nf rips usw anbieten, wo sicherlich ton und video auch gemarked ist 1 mal bearbeitet, zuletzt 29. Okt. 2015, 10:33 Uhr
blAde schrieb: ich glaube wegen der marks, deswegen hatte sie doch die alten löschen lassen oder ?
is zwar blödsin, da sie ja dennoch nf rips usw anbieten, wo sicherlich ton und video auch gemarked ist
Ok, seltsam - spätestens mit Verwendung eines Fake Accounts (gibt ja auch Gutscheinkarten für Netflix) sollte es eigentlich kein Problem mehr sein, zudem kamen ja die Daredevil 4k Release erst nach (den zurückgezogenen) BB Releases... schade darum!
Gibt jetzt einige 4k Releases von zB. X-Men Days of Future Past, Total Recall, Chappie usw. auf diversen Usenet-Boards... 3 mal bearbeitet, zuletzt 27. Nov. 2015, 11:49 Uhr
Um bei jeder Auflösung auch den "Full Benefit" zu bekommen, gilt es, je höher die Auflösung desto geringer sollte der Sitzabstand zum Fernsehapparat sein.
1080p Does Matter – Here’s When (Screen Size vs. Viewing Distance vs. Resolution)
There are a few obvious factors to being able to detect resolution differences: the resolution of the screen, the size of the screen, and the viewing distance. To be able to detect differences between resolutions, the screen must be large enough and you must sit close enough. So the question becomes “How do I know if need a higher resolution or not?”. Here is your answer.
Based on the resolving ability of the human eye (with 20/20 vision it is possible to resolve 1/60th of a degree of an arc), it is possible to estimate when the differences between resolutions will become apparent. Using the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet as a base, I created a chart showing, for any given screen size, how close you need to sit to be able to detect some or all of the benefits of a higher resolution screen. (Click the picture below for a larger version.)
Resolution vs. Screen Size vs. Viewing Distance Chart
What the chart shows is that, for a 50-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p start to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 14.6 feet and become fully apparent at 9.8 feet. For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 9.8 feet and become full apparent at 6.5 feet. In my opinion, 6.5 feet is closer than most people will sit to their 50″ plasma TV (even through the THX recommended viewing distance for a 50″ screen is 5.6 ft). So, most consumers will not be able to see the full benefit of their 1080p TV.
However, front projectors and rear projection displays are a different story. They make it very easy to obtain large screen sizes. Plus, LCD and Plasma displays are constantly getting larger and less expensive. In my home, for example, I have a 123-inch screen and a projector with a 1280×720 resolution. For a 123-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p starts to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 36 feet (14 feet behind my back wall) and become fully apparent at 24 feet (2 feet behind my back wall). For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 24 feet and become full apparent at 16 feet (just between the first and second row of seating in my theater). This means that people in the back row of my home theater would see some improvement if I purchased a 1080p projector and that people in the front row would notice a drastic improvement. (Note: the THX recommended max viewing distance for a 123″ screen is 13.7 feet).
So, how close should you be sitting to your TV? Obviously, you need to look at your room and see what makes sense for how you will be using it. If you have a dedicated viewing room and can place seating anywhere you want, you can use this chart as a guideline. It’s based on THX and SMPTE specifications for movie theaters; the details are available in the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet.
Recommended Seating Distances and Resolution Benefits
Looking at this chart, it is apparent that 1080p is the lowest resolution to fall within the recommended seating distance range. Any resolution less than 1080p is not detailed enough if you are sitting the proper distance from the screen. For me and many people with large projection screens, 1080p is the minimum resolution you’d want.
In fact, you could probably even benefit from 1440p. If you haven’t heard of 1440p, you will. Here’s a link to some info on Audioholics.com. It is part of the HDMI 1.3 spec, along with 48-bit color depth, and will probably surface for the public in 2009 or so. You’ll partially be able to see the benefits of 1440p at the THX Max Recommended viewing distance and the resolution benefits will be fully apparent if you are just a little closer. I’ve read of plans for resolutions reaching 2160p but I don’t see any benefit; you’d have to sit too darn close to the screen to notice any improvement. If you sit too close, you can’t see the far edges of the screen.
In conclusion
If you are a videophile with a properly setup viewing room, you should definitely be able to notice the resolution enhancement that 1080p brings. However, if you are an average consumer with a flat panel on the far wall of your family room, you are not likely to be close enough to notice any advantage. Check the chart above and use that to make your decision.
ISF states the the most important aspects of picture quality are (in order): 1) contrast ratio, 2) color saturation, 3) color accuracy, 4) resolution. Resolution is 4th on the list and plasma is generally superior to LCD in all of the other areas (but much more prone to reflections/glare.) So pick your display size, then measure your seating distance, and then use the charts above to figure out if you would benefit from the larger screen size. So be sure to calibrate your screen! I recommend the following for calibration.
Recommended Calibration Tools
Disney WOW: World of Wonder Blu-ray
Disney WOW: World of Wonder DVD
Alternative options:
DVD: Digital Video Essentials (the original calibration disc dating back to the 1990s)
Blu-ray: Spears & Munsil High-Def Benchmark Disc (my favorite but hard to find)
Blu-ray: Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics (an update to the original, but I don’t like it as well)
Automatic Hardware Calibrator: Datacolor Spyder 3
1 mal bearbeitet, zuletzt 27. Dez. 2014, 23:19 Uhr
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