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Cakewalk.Sonar.v8.0.Producer.Edition.DVDR.D1-DYNAMiCS SUPPLiER..: Team DYNAMiCS DiSKS...: 1DVD 36 * 50MB CRACKER...: Team BEAT DATE....: Dec 2008 PACKAGER..: Team DYNAMiCS RELEASE#: DYNAMiCS-700 PROTECTION: C/R FORMAT..: Windows XP/Vista (32 and 64-bit) http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/English/default.asp - RELEASE NOTES - The Leading Choice in Digital Audio Workstations SONAR 8 Producer gives you what you need for recording, composing, editing, mixing, and mastering. Get innovations that matter, from exclusive features to ignite creativity and perfect your tracks, to groundbreaking technologies that always keep you in control, all backed by the industry's leading 64-bit audio quality. And SONAR 8 Producer delivers the go-to production tools you want with the best collection of virtual instruments, mixing, and mastering effects found in any DAW. With unlimited tracks, amazing creative tools, inspiring virtual instruments, the freedom to work with any audio interface or control surface, and the most complete delivery capability for collaboration with users of other DAWS, award-winning SONAR Producer is your best choice in a digital audio workstation. SONAR 8 is the only DAW that offers one-of-a-kind music creation tools that actually help in the songwriting process. Whether you are searching for new ideas or looking to add musical parts to existing songs, SONAR 8 can help you break through those creative blocks. Create Start producing quickly with over 400 track and project templates that instantly load your favorite sounds o Includes templates for audio tracks, virtual instruments, and entire projects o Save your own template to recall at any time * Make beats and synth lines with a dedicated Step Sequencer o Sequence up to 16 steps per beat with 64 beats per pattern o Supports odd time signatures (non 4/4 meters) o Features a powerful "Fit Pattern to Quarters" control that fits patterns into lengths of any number of quarter notes for creation of polyrhythmic parts (5 against 4 rhythms, hemiolas, septuplets, etc.) o Control velocity offset and scale values in an entire row all at once o MIDI controller automation drawing o More: step ties; monophonic/polyphonic toggle switch; global portamento toggle switch with time control; swing and articulation controls * Includes a critically-acclaimed suite of 14 virtual instruments in SONAR 8 Producer and 11 virtual instruments in SONAR 8 Studio (see complete list) o Use input quantize to record in perfect time o Instrument Tracks optimized for mono or stereo virtual synths simplifies the process of working with virtual instruments o Multi-track method of using virtual instruments employed by previous versions of SONAR still supported o Split and combine instrument tracks to/from discrete audio/MIDI tracks * Add cinematic themes with the Hollywood Edge sound FX library for Dimension Pro SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive * Dimension Pro 1.2 now includes the Digital Sound Factory Vol. 2 Classic Keys pack SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive * Build audio and MIDI tracks fast using Groove Clips and the redesigned Loop Explorer o Perfect for building backing tracks for your songs o Browse and preview audio and MIDI groove clips and patterns o Quickly drag and drop loops and patterns into the track view o MIDI groove clips and patterns can be previewed with the virtual instrument of your choice * Support for VST, DXi and ReWire instruments and application Record * Capture all of your ideas with unlimited tracks of audio and MIDI * Edit audio and MIDI fast and inline right in the track view * Record at virtually any bit depth/sample rate up to 24-bit/384 kHz * Record an entire performance at once with support for multichannel audio interfaces * Faster I/O Assignment provides a quick way to set a series of consecutive inputs/outputs, set selected tracks to same input/output, and assign multiple bus outputs to same main * Connect any Windows-compatible MIDI devices, control surfaces, and WDM or ASIO audio interfaces * Experience high track counts with low latency performance * ASIO latency compensation to keep new recordings in perfect sync with your project * Stereo and mono hardware outputs for flexible routing options * Live Effects and Soft Synth Recording play and record effects and soft synths into audio tracks in realtime using SONAR's live bounce feature * Anytime Recording while the SONAR transport is running or looping, arm/unarm audio and MIDI tracks, punch in, punch out, and toggle between play and record * New responsive Transport for on-the-fly recording * Get more out of your PC with industry-pioneering multi-core/multi-processor support * Record longer projects with support for 2+ GB Sony Wave-64 files SONAR has also been optimized for high-bandwidth multitrack recording * File Recovery mode while not a substitute for good backup practices, File Recovery Mode may be able to open damaged projects with minimal data loss, preserving your valuable data Edit * Perfect your vocal tracks with Roland� V-Vocal VariPhrase processor SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive o Based on Roland VariPhrase technology o A unique technology that allows you to control the tempo and pitch of audio phrases in real time with virtually no degradation of sound quality o Powerful vocal processing: automatic pitch correction, vibrato, and more o Adjust the phrasing or timing of vocals o Control the dynamics of vocals o Create harmonies by copying vocal clips, then applying V-Vocal pitch shifting to copied audio o Pitch to MIDI conversion allows you to create new synth parts based on monophonic audio o Completely non-destructive processing * Manipulate the timing and feel of audio, just like MIDI, with AudioSnap o Quantize and fix audio timing without slicing up or destructively editing your audio o Quantize one part at a time or even an entire project at once o Quantize an out-of-time track to follow an in-time track o Convert audio beats to MIDI Groove and quantize MIDI notes with audio rhythms or even extract rhythmic MIDI information from audio and paste it into a track o Slip Stretch and non-destructively time compress or expand your audio's duration. o Elastic Tempo allows you to change the tempo or draw in changes from the Tempo View with all selected audio tracks following the project tempo * Assemble the perfect take from Track Layers using powerful comping and editing tools * Clip Group Editing edit multiple tracks at once across multiple tracks or folders * Clip Selection Groups groups clips together across tracks after each recording pass perfect for comping any multitrack ensemble performance especially drum takes * Aim Assist Cursor visual guide to assist in lining up multiple tracks for precision editing * Split and Mute Tools can now edit multiple clips simultaneously * Free Edit Tool for allows you to edit by clips or by time without the need of a modifier key * Streamline your workflow and project organization with Track Folders * Use the Navigator Pane to get a birds eye view of your project, quickly zoom in and out to make quick edits, and scroll through your project with ease * Freeze audio and instrument tracks for optimal performance; frozen audio data can be edited for added convenience * Streamline your workflow and project organization with Track Folders * Use X-Ray to temporarily make plug-ins and views in SONAR transparent * Fast Zoom o Use your mouse wheel or shortcut keys to jump from a birds-eye view of your project to a high magnification instantly o Quickly jump back to previous views without losing your place * Mouse Wheel o Use your mouse wheel to scroll and zoom horizontally and vertically in the Track View or Piano Roll o Adjust any of SONAR's controls * Clip-based effects and editing o Audio and MIDI clips contain full-featured FX bins with automatic delay compensation o Copy effects from clip to clip, clip to track, or track to track o Apply fades and effect automation to selected audio clips specify the fade duration and curve type o Clips can lock to time (including SMPTE), and can even be slip-stretched to a new length * Nudge o Vertically and horizontally within the Track and Piano Roll views o Customize nudge with multiple configurable resolutions and shortcut key * Quickly edit MIDI with state of the art Smart MIDI Tools o Perform multiple MIDI operations without the need to switch tools, expediting your editing session o Includes three preconfigured Smart MIDI Tools; the default tool can be used to draw, select, erase, and edit notes and controllers. o Create your own Smart MIDI Tool presets by selecting from 20 different mouse actions and assigning them to edit functions such as slip-editing and transposition o New MIDI editing features including split, glue, event mute, and drag quantize o Control specific edit behaviors: change the way draw and erase works, it's all user-definable o Custom Smart MIDI Tool assignments can be saved as presets and apply to both the Piano Roll View and the Inline Piano Roll o Smart MIDI tools feature presets that match MIDI operations in applications such as Logic, Cubase, and Digital Performer * MIDI Magnifier o Work with MIDI in-place, even when zoomed out o MIDI Magnifier allows you to quickly zoom in on isolated areas and make edits without changing the overall zoom level of the view in which you are working * Velocity Colorizer o Provides improved visual feedback to the user o Notes are tinted depending on velocities for easier identification * MIDI Meters o Standard MIDI Meters in the Track and Console view respond to MIDI velocity information o MIDI activity indicators respond any MIDI activity * Multiple Controller Lanes o Multiple MIDI parameters can be displayed simultaneously within the Piano Roll View (PRV) in a multi-lane format o Easier than ever to edit and view MIDI data such as velocity, modulation, pitch bend and CCs o Controller data can also be moved and copied across lanes o Make precise comparisons and edits of multiple controller types by assigning controllers to the same lane * MIDI Input Quantize o Time-align MIDI input as it is recorded to a track, and hear and see the effect of the quantization as soon as the track is looped or played back o Per-track quantize settings with presets makes recording MIDI parts easier * Snap to Scale o Quickly make MIDI tracks conform to the pitches of a specified scale o Many modes, altered scales, pentatonic, and non-western scales available * Drag Quantize o Select notes then drag up to quantize them closer to the grid o Drag down to move them away from the grid * New MIDI Edit Functions o Split Notes, Glue Notes, Event Mute, Drag Quantize, and Repeat have been added to the MIDI tool palette Control * Active Controller Technology o Get total control of virtual instruments, effects, and mixing from MIDI controllers and control surfaces o ACT eliminates the common workflow bottleneck of constantly remapping parameters by re-mapping to whichever plugin you have open o Use preset mappings or create your own custom mappings o SONAR 8 includes new updated ACT presets mappings for popular MIDI devices and controllers * Support for Control Surfaces and MIDI Controllers made by popular manufacturer's like Edirol, Mackie, Euphonix, Frontier Design, and more * Transport Updates including True Rewind, Fast Forward and Pause Buttons; Audition Button * Anytime Recording while the SONAR transport is running or looping, arm/unarm audio and MIDI tracks, punch in, punch out, and toggle between play and record * Automatically sync visible/hidden tracks between the Track View and Console View * Synth Rack o Control the instruments in your project from one easy to manage window. o Find instruments quickly with customizable Synth Icons o Display customized controls for each instrument, putting the most needed controls right at your fingertips for easy adjustment and automation o Access parameters of all instruments loaded in the rack without having to expand individual plug-in windows o Achieve creative and dynamic sound design by linking controls of multiple synths together with SONAR's advanced grouping options o Quickly toggle through presets to find the right sound o Mute, solo, arm, and automate your instruments o Freeze synths to conserve CPU resources o Insert and delete instruments dynamically during playback, with undo/redo capability * Create custom toolbars with all the features you need immediate access to * Configurable Track View Controls o Make the best use of your workspace by re-organizing or hiding Track View controls o Call up different control configurations by simply clicking on customizable tabs * Configurable Track Inspector gives you detailed information and control of any selected track * Display multiple time rulers simultaneously; Options include Measure:Beat:Tick, Hours:Minutes:Seconds:Frames, Samples, Milliseconds * Change the names of your audio and MIDI inputs and outputs for easy organization * Customize all of SONAR's menus; hide items you never use; rename menu items; create different layouts * Organize your plug-in menu to make finding the right plug-ins easier * User-customizable color schemes let you adjust virtually every aspect of the interface Mix * Retain every nuance of your mix with the industry's leading 64-bit audio engine o SONAR achieves this unmatched level of audio quality by providing spacious amounts of headroom and footroom through extended dynamic range o Realize more definition in your mix through the improved summing and pristine digital signal path provided by 64-bit mixing o SONAR's unique mix engine maintains the 64-bit signal path from track to plug-in to bus, making it possible to retain absolute integrity of your audio throughout the production process, even when passing information to and from plug-ins o Features native support for 64-bit floating point audio files, allowing you to import, stream, and render tracks and mixes at the highest quality available in the industry o SONAR's 64-bit mix engine is seamless and accessible even on 32-bit computers * Mix with a versatile Console view that looks and acts just like hardware o The Console View controls, metering, and layout make mixing fast and enjoyable o Parametric EQ is available on every track and bus, and each EQ can be controlled directly from its track strip o See the EQ state of every track with integrated EQ plot displays o Show or hide tracks, busses or mains with simple controls o Copy EQ settings across tracks via a simple drag and drop of EQ plots * Choose from a suite of 42 professional grade audio effects and 7 MIDI FX in SONAR 8 Producer and 31 audio effects and 7 MIDI FX in SONAR 8 Studio (see complete list) * Integrate DX & VST effects with Automatic Delay Compensation * External Hardware support o Easily integrate external hardware effects and MIDI instruments with Automatic Delay Compensation o Latencies for external hardware will automatically be measured and compensated through SONAR's plug-in delay compensation (PDC) o External Insert plug-in for outboard gear appears in SONAR's plug in menu where it can be inserted into the audio FX bin on any track or bus * Use Track Icons to visually organize your mix * Get precise visual feedback from user-configurable meters with adjustable ballistics * Take advantage of SONAR's infinitely flexible Universal Bus Architecture o Unlimited sends and busses, and limitless routing possibilities, make organizing, grouping and mixing your projects simpler o Quick Groups provide you with on-the-fly grouping of track or bus controls with a simple click of a selector on each track/bus you want to group o Bus Inputs QuickGroup Command automatically groups all source tracks feeding a selected bus * Internal sidechaining o More flexibility and control over mix processes and creative options for key-triggered sound effects o Effectively avoid the clashing of multiple instruments occurring in the same frequency range o Common uses include "Ducking" which is a technique used in radio broadcast o Sidechain the Sonitus:fx Compressor, Sonitus:fx Gate, VC-64 Vintage Channel, and all sidechain compliant VST processors such as those available from Voxengo and Sonalksis * Dim Solo mode isolates soloed tracks by applying a configurable -6, -12, or -18 dB dim to non-soloed tracks instead of a complete mute * New Exclusive Solo Mode with Solo Override forces soloing to one track/bus at a time and prevents tracks and buses from being muted when other tracks/buses are soloed * Analyst plug-in o Real-time spectrum analyzer with a number of display options, including spectrum color bars, cumulative averages, minimums and maximums, and a built-in Sonograph mode o Analyst can create automation envelopes based on the average levels of four frequency ranges * BitMeter plug-in o See the benefits of SONAR's 64-bit audio engine in action o Monitor the digital activity of your audio stream and view output word length, dynamic range, signal peaks, and more to analyze the quality of your digital signal * Envelope Automation o Get complete, sample accurate control over all aspects of your mix, effect, and instrument parameters with Tempo Synced envelope automation o Drawing options include freehand and multiple curve types get virtually any sound you can imagine * Mix in surround SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive o Over 30 supported surround configurations o Built-in surround panner o Sonitus:fx Surround Compressor o Use stereo plug-ins via SurroundBridge technology * Use Control Surfaces and even MIDI controllers to get hands on control of your mix use Active Controller Technology to automatically map or remember custom settings * Exclusive Solo mode with Solo Override forces soloing to one track/bus at a time and prevents tracks and buses from being muted when other tracks/buses are soloed * Use Dim Solo Mode to isolate soloed tracks by applying a configurable -6, -12, or -18 dB dim to non-soloed tracks instead of a complete mute * Mono hardware outputs allow for easy assigning of tracks and buses to individual hardware outputs in addition to stereo pairs * Insert Send Assistant provides a fast and easy way to create effect busses and insert sends to new or existing busses * Find and correct mix problems as they occur with Bus Waveform Preview Mastering * LP-64 EQ SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive o Offers flexibility in editing by offering both traditional parametric editing with graphical control points representing filter components that control frequency, gain, and Q o Graphical curve editing mode for more intuitive editing where control points rest directly on the equalization curve, and provide smooth means for curve manipulation o Up to 20 control points can be added to an EQ graph and both modes of operation produce the same superior-quality, linear-phase output. o Two modes of operation: traditional parametric and graphical curve o Create deep notches, resonant peaks, and steep roll offs o HUD (heads-up display) provides constant and detailed control point information o +/- 24 dB gain change range per control point o 64-bit double precision signal path o Up to 192 kHz resolution o Optimized for low CPU usage o Full VST functionality for access from dedicated audio editors * LP-64 Multiband SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive o Operation modes are user selectable or PDR (Program Dependent Release) that automatically minimizes pumping (audible fluctuations of the volume) and maximizes loudness o 'Auto-Q' feature automatically adjusts the linear-phase filters to maintain ideal overlap - whether dialing in broad, subtle crossovers, or tight notches and boosts o +/- 18 dB gain change range per control point o Up to 192 kHz resolution o 64-bit double precision signal path o Mono and stereo operation o Optimized for low CPU usage o Full VST functionality for access from dedicated audio editors * Boost 11 Peak Limiter o Look-ahead peak detection to prevent clipping o Program Dependent Release to minimize pumping o Dynamic waveform displays of input vs. output o Stereo peak and RMS input/output meters o Operation at sampling rates up to 192 kHz o 64-bit double precision signal path o VST Automation * TL-64 Tube Leveler SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive o Powered by StudioDevil (Gallo Engineering) known for their ultra-high-quality analog tube amplifier emulation o Provides intuitive controls to determine the level and character of analog tube saturation, from subtle "warming" to hard-driving saturation o Features a unique selectable Dynamic Response Filter control that when engaged employs a dynamic (versus static) tube model algorithm o Bass Compensation control compensates for any reduction in bass material as a result of low-shelf filtering and the filter allows you to reduce clipping in the bass bands while still maintaining a flat output response o Several instances of the TL-64 plug-ins can also be combined in effects chains, along with other processors, EQ, and compressors, to create a limitless palette of virtual analog effects o Dynamic and static tube model algorithms o High quality signal processing algorithms o Switchable oversampling option defeats high-frequency aliasing/quantization noise o Smooth, zipperless output o Automatable parameters o Library of presets o Full VST functionality for access from dedicated audio editors Collaborate & Deliver * Collaborate with other studios using DAWs like Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase and more o Export files to OMF o Export files to Broadcast WAV * Import/export Sony Wave-64, AIF, CAF, FLAC, SD2 (Sound Designer II) * Digital video import/export support for the latest QuickTime 7 codecs, including H.264 and AAC audio; Windows Media Video (WMV) including Windows Media Pro; and AVI * Right-click at cursor to import audio/MIDI data * Use presets in the Export options section to deliver files in virtually any format: stems, mixes, bounces, and more * Deliver in surround using the 14-day SurCode unlimited trial Dolby encoders for Dolby Digital and Dolby Pro Logic II SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive * Ensure pristine quality with POW-r dithering SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive and Windowed Sinc sample rate conversion * Enhanced Sample Rate Conversion now employs the same fast convolution engine as the LP-64 series 64-bit mastering plug-ins * Integrated CD Ripping and Burning import audio from CD directly into a SONAR project and burn multiple tracks to audio CDs right from within the application * Integrated Cakewalk Publisher presents an innovative new tool to publish and present your music online o Simply drag files into Publisher to quickly create playlists o Build custom Flash-based audio players with choice of colors, size, layout, etc to match your web design o Support for album art: choose an image and URL for each song in your playlist o Includes FTP client to upload music and players directly to your website o XML generation to embed customized players on many websites (Myspace, etc.) Included Instruments SONAR 8 Producer includes the best collection of included virtual instruments found in any DAW. Whether you're looking for acoustic or electric instrument sounds, emulations of classic gear, modern synthesized tones, drums, or a groovebox, you need to look no further than SONAR 8. You may be surprised to find that some of these included plug-ins would cost hundreds of dollars if purchased separately. Beatscape SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive - New to SONAR 8 * 16-pad looping/performance instrument * Great for layering and triggering audio clips and creating beats and grooves * 4 GB of custom-designed loop construction kits Dimension Pro SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive - New to SONAR 8 * Wavetable based synthesizer * Electric pianos, organs, basses, orchestral, strings, woodwinds, brass, ethnic, pads/layers, and other real-world instruments * Over 1500 patch presets, 8 GB of content TruePianos Amber SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive - New to SONAR 8 * Award-winning piano model designed to transparently integrate with your hands and playing style for even more realism * 7 model variations * Reverb and velocity controls * SONAR customers are eligible for a 30% discount on 4Front TruePianos Rapture LE * LE version based on the award-winning Rapture wavetable synthesizer * Searing synthesized sounds, leads, basses, pads, sequences, and more * Nearly 200 patch presets, expandable Session Drummer 2 * Drum and Percussion Sequencer * Programming multi-layered, realistic drum parts either a la carte or using included patterns * 4 kits with over 55 drum presets in varying styles: Rock, Swing, Shuffle, Reggae, more Z3TA+ SONAR 8 Producer Exclusive * Waveshaping synthesizer * Analog synth modeling, leads, basses, synths, pads, and more even use it as an FX * 6 banks, with 750+ patches Cyclone * 16-pad groove sampler * Perfect for drums and other loop-based music * Load, edit, and trigger your own Groove Clips and ACID�-format loops Roland TTS-1 * 16 channel multi-timbral GM2 instrument * Keys, horns, strings, guitars, drums, more * 256 patch presets, 9 drum kits Pentagon I * Vintage analog sounds * Sound design, all the controls you need to replicate virtually any analog synth * 6 banks, with 550+ patches PSYN II * Subtractive synthesizer * Bass, leads, pads, more * 8 banks with 550+ patches RXP * REX loops/sample player * Programming and sampling drums and other pattern/groove based content * Over 250 MB of REX loops included SFZ * SFZ SoundFont sampler * High Quality band limiting sample-playback engine for SF2 files * 256 voices of polyphony, unlimited layers per voice Roland GrooveSynth * Groove synthesizer * Genuine Roland� synths and beat boxes including the legendary 808 and 909 sounds * 30 different instrument categories DropZone * Drag and Drop Sampler, REX editor * Bass, piano, pads, drums, vocals, REX-format loops, and more * Nearly 300 MB of programs, REX files, and multisamples System Requirements System Requirement Minimum Recommended Operating System* Windows XP (32-bit) Windows XP/Vista (32 and 64-bit), can be run on Mac OS X with Boot Camp Processor Speed Intel� Pentium� 4 Intel� Pentium� 4 1.3 GHz or AMD 2.8 GHz [EM64T] Athlon XP 1500+ AMD Athlon XP 2800+ or higher or higher RAM 512 MB 1 GB or higher Graphics 1024x768, 16-bit 1280x960, 24-bit color color or higher Hard Disk Space 200 MB for core 30 GB for program and program content Hard Disk Type Any EIDE/Ultra DMA (7200 RPM) or SATA MIDI Interface** Windows-compatible Audio Interface*** Windows-compatible Media Drive**** DVD-ROM, DVD+/-R, or DVD+/- RW Drive (Dual Layer-capable drive required for installation of SONAR 8 Producer content) * SONAR does not support Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000 or XP x64 ** Required to connect external MIDI devices Required for audio playback. See www.cakewalk.com/PCresource for a complete list of recommended audio devices SONAR is presented on DVD media. DVD-ROM, DVD+/-R, or DVD+/- RW Drive required for installation. Sonar 8 comes as a 4 DVD set: DVD 1 - Cakewalk Sonar DVD 2 - Cakwalk Beatscape DVD 3 - Cakewalk Dimension Pro DVD 4 - Additional materials - iNSTALL NOTES - Unrar, Burn or mount the image, Install Use the following information to register the product Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834700-396171 Registration Code : 60C0-B49B-CF38-3013 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834701-052114 Registration Code : 22F2-EED6-6633-4075 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834702-364000 Registration Code : 0762-9483-AE26-6D23 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834703-019943 Registration Code : A357-C5CE-7E63-1B41 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834704-331829 Registration Code : CD12-83AA-6532-65B3 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834705-643715 Registration Code : 32F9-3C36-8284-4214 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834706-299658 Registration Code : 04E3-27E1-4B97-6F21 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834707-611544 Registration Code : 9150-D834-8FFF-6429 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834708-267487 Registration Code : 0B0E-5C63-ED17-3A21 Serial Number : CWSP-8.00-834709-579373 Registration Code : 0319-55FD-4649-1AE6 NOTE: Special THANKS goes to Team BEAT for generating the Serial Numbers and their Registration Codes as well. !!!HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!! - GREETS - BEAT, NGEN, Lz0, JGT, ROGUE, AGAiN, MAGNiTUDE, PsyCZ, SUSHi, H2O, DELiRiUM Remember to BUY the stuff if you USE it. 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